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		<title>By: Maisach</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanholiday.net/self-congratulation/#comment-12060</link>
		<dc:creator>Maisach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, for that wonderful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, for that wonderful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanholiday.net/self-congratulation/#comment-11754</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are there any sources you know of that discuss these things in more detail?

Posted by: Sean Estey at December 11, 2009 06:32 PM&lt;/i&gt;

Sean,

Nothing that immediately comes to mind--more observations over the last 15 years.  Certainly humility is regular theme in the &lt;i&gt;Meditations&lt;/i&gt;.  Humility is not about bringing yourself down, necessarily.  From the Stoic sense, I see it as an ability to correctly see one&#039;s place in things, which helps lead to a more dispassionate ability to observe realize.  See things as they are, not as we wish them to be.  See yourself as you are, not as you wish or delude yourself to be.

On another thought regarding the theme of Ryan&#039;s critique and ending meme--why should we leave well enough alone.  If we see BS, hubris, wrong thinking or acting, then why not call it what it is?  Too many folks are just given a pass, because people are too complacent or too polite to speak out.  Danger certainly lurks in calling things or people out to boost your own status or esteem--haven&#039;t seen that in the writing here in general or in this post.  We cannot get better if all those who see wrong thought/action stay silent and only concentrate on our own quest.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are there any sources you know of that discuss these things in more detail?</p>
<p>Posted by: Sean Estey at December 11, 2009 06:32 PM</i></p>
<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Nothing that immediately comes to mind&#8211;more observations over the last 15 years.  Certainly humility is regular theme in the <i>Meditations</i>.  Humility is not about bringing yourself down, necessarily.  From the Stoic sense, I see it as an ability to correctly see one&#8217;s place in things, which helps lead to a more dispassionate ability to observe realize.  See things as they are, not as we wish them to be.  See yourself as you are, not as you wish or delude yourself to be.</p>
<p>On another thought regarding the theme of Ryan&#8217;s critique and ending meme&#8211;why should we leave well enough alone.  If we see BS, hubris, wrong thinking or acting, then why not call it what it is?  Too many folks are just given a pass, because people are too complacent or too polite to speak out.  Danger certainly lurks in calling things or people out to boost your own status or esteem&#8211;haven&#8217;t seen that in the writing here in general or in this post.  We cannot get better if all those who see wrong thought/action stay silent and only concentrate on our own quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m confused.  How can you make a post like that and then end it with a rigid definition of what life is?

Don&#039;t you think that offering such a definition qualifies as waving the all-clear to those behind you?  Don&#039;t you think that much of what you write is the same?

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with it, although you seem to.  It&#039;s called leading.  If you feel those leaders are on a misguided quest, so what?  Just concentrate on your quest, and if you&#039;re right in your judgment you&#039;ll be able to look back and either laugh at them or offer to help (or both).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m confused.  How can you make a post like that and then end it with a rigid definition of what life is?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that offering such a definition qualifies as waving the all-clear to those behind you?  Don&#8217;t you think that much of what you write is the same?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with it, although you seem to.  It&#8217;s called leading.  If you feel those leaders are on a misguided quest, so what?  Just concentrate on your quest, and if you&#8217;re right in your judgment you&#8217;ll be able to look back and either laugh at them or offer to help (or both).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, I agree with that.

Since it&#039;s on the subject, do you have an assistant still? What responsibilities did/do you delegate?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, I agree with that.</p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s on the subject, do you have an assistant still? What responsibilities did/do you delegate?</p>
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		<title>By: Tree Frog</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanholiday.net/self-congratulation/#comment-11751</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree Frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I had some free time a couple days ago and went through the BC blog posts.

Trunk is a malevolent transferrer of blame. I give her some credit for attempting to be honest about things in her recent posts, but her &quot;honest&quot; is a truly scary litany of &quot;it&#039;s not my fault, or when it is, it&#039;s the Asperger&#039;s or people needing to be patient with me&quot;.

Freaked me out enough. I&#039;m done. All I can learn from that anti-example, I&#039;ve learned.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I had some free time a couple days ago and went through the BC blog posts.</p>
<p>Trunk is a malevolent transferrer of blame. I give her some credit for attempting to be honest about things in her recent posts, but her &#8220;honest&#8221; is a truly scary litany of &#8220;it&#8217;s not my fault, or when it is, it&#8217;s the Asperger&#8217;s or people needing to be patient with me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Freaked me out enough. I&#8217;m done. All I can learn from that anti-example, I&#8217;ve learned.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanholiday.net/self-congratulation/#comment-11750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is nothing particularly wrong with virtual assistants. I just think there is something sketchy about acting like hiring an Indian MBA at $4 an hour is the &lt;em&gt;right thing to do&lt;/em&gt;.

Sometimes it works given the circumstances - like you need help but not full-time 40 hr a week week help. Sometimes it looks like petty, indulgent white privilege wrapped in some bullshit Steve Pavlina speak.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is nothing particularly wrong with virtual assistants. I just think there is something sketchy about acting like hiring an Indian MBA at $4 an hour is the <em>right thing to do</em>.</p>
<p>Sometimes it works given the circumstances &#8211; like you need help but not full-time 40 hr a week week help. Sometimes it looks like petty, indulgent white privilege wrapped in some bullshit Steve Pavlina speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, after considering it, you&#039;re probably right.

Tim has proven he is successful, the 20-something probably has more time than he knows what to do with.

Anyway, do you consider virtual assistants as exploiting people? Even when someone like Tim uses them?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, after considering it, you&#8217;re probably right.</p>
<p>Tim has proven he is successful, the 20-something probably has more time than he knows what to do with.</p>
<p>Anyway, do you consider virtual assistants as exploiting people? Even when someone like Tim uses them?</p>
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		<title>By: JanusthePhoenix</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How a person defines, or should define, his life is inherently a subjective matter. Given that, I disagree: it can be argued until the end of time with no real conclusion, because there is no all-inclusive objective answer to that question. You&#039;re a smart guy, but it does concern me that you seem to think that your answer to that question is the only one, period. Of course I&#039;m not suggesting that life is about how well you can skate out of responsibilities; that would be the opposite extreme. Your argument seems to suggest that a person who grates his own cheese is somehow better than a person who lets the deli guy do it for him, and I would argue that it isn&#039;t that simple.

I recognize that you value hard work and responsibility because it allows us to learn more and grow as people. I agree with that. My concern is that you seem to be trying to turn that into a moral argument; like someone who delegates non-crucial tasks like scheduling appointments is somehow ethically a worse person than someone who does it all himself.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How a person defines, or should define, his life is inherently a subjective matter. Given that, I disagree: it can be argued until the end of time with no real conclusion, because there is no all-inclusive objective answer to that question. You&#8217;re a smart guy, but it does concern me that you seem to think that your answer to that question is the only one, period. Of course I&#8217;m not suggesting that life is about how well you can skate out of responsibilities; that would be the opposite extreme. Your argument seems to suggest that a person who grates his own cheese is somehow better than a person who lets the deli guy do it for him, and I would argue that it isn&#8217;t that simple.</p>
<p>I recognize that you value hard work and responsibility because it allows us to learn more and grow as people. I agree with that. My concern is that you seem to be trying to turn that into a moral argument; like someone who delegates non-crucial tasks like scheduling appointments is somehow ethically a worse person than someone who does it all himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanholiday.net/self-congratulation/#comment-11747</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janus - be serious. What are the alternatives to what I discussed? That life is about how little you do? How much you can pawn off on others and avoid taking responsibility for? That the key is to find the maximum balance of status and credit that requires the least amount of effort?

This isn&#039;t an argument man.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janus &#8211; be serious. What are the alternatives to what I discussed? That life is about how little you do? How much you can pawn off on others and avoid taking responsibility for? That the key is to find the maximum balance of status and credit that requires the least amount of effort?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an argument man.</p>
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		<title>By: JanusthePhoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>JanusthePhoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, did you write those last two sentences in your post intending to convince your readers that your definition and philosophy of life is the only one worthwhile and that anything else is worthless, or were you just sharing your thoughts for whatever they were worth to us? I would hope for the latter, but some of your comments suggest the former. If you define your life by how hard you work regardless of all else, that&#039;s cool if it works for you. I recognize the value of hard work too, but working hard is by no means the all-inclusive simple recipe for a worthwhile existence, and I can only hope that is not what you meant.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, did you write those last two sentences in your post intending to convince your readers that your definition and philosophy of life is the only one worthwhile and that anything else is worthless, or were you just sharing your thoughts for whatever they were worth to us? I would hope for the latter, but some of your comments suggest the former. If you define your life by how hard you work regardless of all else, that&#8217;s cool if it works for you. I recognize the value of hard work too, but working hard is by no means the all-inclusive simple recipe for a worthwhile existence, and I can only hope that is not what you meant.</p>
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