Comments on: The Logos http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/ Meditations on strategy and life Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:25:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ryan Holiday http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11931 Ryan Holiday Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:56:15 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11931 It's actually not Hays' metaphor. It comes from Cleanthes. It’s actually not Hays’ metaphor. It comes from Cleanthes.

]]> By: Ben http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11930 Ben Sun, 11 Apr 2010 07:22:39 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11930 Well put. This sort of humility is important to realize. Where do you think the intersection is between logos and possibility and hard work on goals? By working hard at your dreams you can, in a sense, change your logos like you can change your percentage of success on the field or in the boardroom. I think the metaphor Hays uses about the dog and the cart explains that we, the dog, can't stop change or the ride to death. The terrain you ride through and the amount of slack on the rope around your neck, though, is a different matter. Well put. This sort of humility is important to realize.

Where do you think the intersection is between logos and possibility and hard work on goals?

By working hard at your dreams you can, in a sense, change your logos like you can change your percentage of success on the field or in the boardroom.

I think the metaphor Hays uses about the dog and the cart explains that we, the dog, can’t stop change or the ride to death.

The terrain you ride through and the amount of slack on the rope around your neck, though, is a different matter.

]]> By: Josh Moore http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11929 Josh Moore Fri, 02 Apr 2010 03:51:14 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11929 Hi Ryan, Just wanted to say that thanks to you I have become a big fan of Meditations. I have two versions (Hays and Penguin Classics) both of which I find enjoyable. Some days when I read it it gives me perspective and a lot of knowledge that would have been great in when I faced depression six years ago in my teens. Other times it leaves me feeling depressed. I guess it depends on what I am trying to find by reading it. Good to see that other people my age out there are committed to success in the world and are on a path of entrepreneurship! Keep up the great work! Hi Ryan,

Just wanted to say that thanks to you I have become a big fan of Meditations. I have two versions (Hays and Penguin Classics) both of which I find enjoyable.

Some days when I read it it gives me perspective and a lot of knowledge that would have been great in when I faced depression six years ago in my teens. Other times it leaves me feeling depressed. I guess it depends on what I am trying to find by reading it.

Good to see that other people my age out there are committed to success in the world and are on a path of entrepreneurship! Keep up the great work!

]]> By: Eugene Solomonik http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11928 Eugene Solomonik Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:41:00 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11928 You're right, about the whole people feeling dwarfed by other peoples' accomplishments. And that we never really own anything we do. To many, this is probably depressing and demotivating... however, what you do is perceived first by your own mind and if within that sphere you're happy with what you've done, there is no need for outward motivators. Indeed, it can all disappear in any given moment - when I was fifteen I wrote this quote down: "Reject permanence and embrace the ephemeral beauty of all things that are" Nothing will really last... and neither will we, so what's the big deal? Everything could always be better and jealousy will arise no matter what. It's up to one's mind to overpower that and make sure that ocean is so full of debris you can walk on water. You’re right, about the whole people feeling dwarfed by other peoples’ accomplishments. And that we never really own anything we do. To many, this is probably depressing and demotivating… however, what you do is perceived first by your own mind and if within that sphere you’re happy with what you’ve done, there is no need for outward motivators. Indeed, it can all disappear in any given moment – when I was fifteen I wrote this quote down: “Reject permanence and embrace the ephemeral beauty of all things that are”

Nothing will really last… and neither will we, so what’s the big deal? Everything could always be better and jealousy will arise no matter what. It’s up to one’s mind to overpower that and make sure that ocean is so full of debris you can walk on water.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11927 anonymous Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:28:15 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11927 so your saying we shouldnt take credit for accomplishing a bestseller at 25 because we are motivated by the need to sow wild oats (or whatever such evolutoinarypsych BS). even if we grant you that what about everybody else who has the same pressure yet does nothing and is a loser? DO we give these people a pass as well? so your saying we shouldnt take credit for accomplishing a bestseller at 25 because we are motivated by the need to sow wild oats (or whatever such evolutoinarypsych BS). even if we grant you that what about everybody else who has the same pressure yet does nothing and is a loser? DO we give these people a pass as well?

]]> By: Mel http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11926 Mel Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:36:28 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11926 This post brings to mind Margaret Atwood's poem, "The Moment" The moment when, after many years of hard work and a long voyage you stand in the centre of your room, house, half-acre, square mile, island, country, knowing at last how you got there, and say, I own this, is the same moment when the trees unloose their soft arms from around you, the birds take back their language, the cliffs fissure and collapse, the air moves back from you like a wave and you can't breathe. No, they whisper. You own nothing. You were a visitor, time after time climbing the hill, planting the flag, proclaiming. We never belonged to you. You never found us. It was always the other way round. This post brings to mind Margaret Atwood’s poem, “The Moment”

The moment when, after many years

of hard work and a long voyage

you stand in the centre of your room,

house, half-acre, square mile, island, country,

knowing at last how you got there,

and say, I own this,

is the same moment when the trees unloose

their soft arms from around you,

the birds take back their language,

the cliffs fissure and collapse,

the air moves back from you like a wave

and you can’t breathe.

No, they whisper. You own nothing.

You were a visitor, time after time

climbing the hill, planting the flag, proclaiming.

We never belonged to you.

You never found us.

It was always the other way round.

]]> By: Corey http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11925 Corey Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:57:16 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11925 holy S@&T!!!! This blew my mind. So true and it was something I really needed to hear. Thanks man... holy S@&T!!!! This blew my mind. So true and it was something I really needed to hear.

Thanks man…

]]> By: Jeremy Keith Hammond http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11924 Jeremy Keith Hammond Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:14:43 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11924 If you haven't already (and I'd guess you have based on this post) I suggest you read Malcom Gladwell's Outliers. If you haven’t already (and I’d guess you have based on this post) I suggest you read Malcom Gladwell’s Outliers.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11923 Anonymous Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:50:24 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11923 very, very true. nicely said. p.s.- i'm glad you don't actually smoke like the profile page picture implied, longer maybe to live and think very, very true. nicely said. p.s.- i’m glad you don’t actually smoke like the profile page picture implied, longer maybe to live and think

]]> By: Matt http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11922 Matt Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:19:18 +0000 http://dev.ryanholiday.net/the-logos/#comment-11922 This was on of the most lucid descriptions of the dangers of success I've read. I appreciate that there are a number of different perspectives all tied together, and referenced neatly in the process. However, I wish you had gone a different direction with that last sentence. It seemed like you were making assumptions, whereas the rest of the thoughts had been drawn from your own experience. Though that may be a reasonable inference, it came across as condescending and not a part of the natural progression of the rest of the thought. Hope you get something out of the feedback, and thanks for referencing a few sources. I'll be sure to check out Feyerabend. Cheers This was on of the most lucid descriptions of the dangers of success I’ve read. I appreciate that there are a number of different perspectives all tied together, and referenced neatly in the process. However, I wish you had gone a different direction with that last sentence. It seemed like you were making assumptions, whereas the rest of the thoughts had been drawn from your own experience. Though that may be a reasonable inference, it came across as condescending and not a part of the natural progression of the rest of the thought.

Hope you get something out of the feedback, and thanks for referencing a few sources. I’ll be sure to check out Feyerabend.

Cheers

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